Execuse me fren, no offense intended, but are the ancient near east civilisations considered frens? I mean: Egyptians, Hittites, Phonecians, Assyrians, Mesoptamians and Persians? Becuase they also built the world.
In Egypt for example the population at the time of the nonfren invasion was several times more than the whole population of nonfrens, so it wasnt destroyed, its still buryed deep and kept dormant by nonfren influence, but i think theres hope.
Modern Egypt is 90+% Arab. These are not the same people as before. Coptic Egpytians are the closest genetic living descendants/kin of the ancient Egpytians and they and their culture are decidedly not in control of that country or it's institutions.
How come if the native Egyptian population was never displaced like the native american population, sure thing they've mixed but again the native egyptian population is huge in comparison to the arab one, so I dont see where you get the 90+% arab.
Yes but both sources say that modern Egyptians share more DNA with sub saharan Africans, but that doesnt mean ancient Egyptians were completely displaced or bred out of existence, right?
I didn't say they were exterminated. But Egypt underwent demographic replacement to the extent that the descendants of the ancient inhabitants of Egypt number around 10% or less of the population today. Probably less since the recent attacks on Copts in that country over the last half century or so has sent a lot of them packing to Europe and North America.
If trends hold, in another couple hundred years there might not be any left in Egypt at all.
Well I agree with you on that the copts are the last true remnants of the ancient egyptians, but even then I wouldn't say the rest of native Egyptians got replaced as much as they mixed with invaders, obviously immigrations happened to egypt but even still not on the scale of say, north America and the european colonists.
Very little mixing actually took place in Egypt. When religious lines overlap with ethnic ones, different populations tend to be isolated form one another genetically. That said, it's not any better if they did mix. They'd be an entirely different people by having mixed like that.
Well then if no outright replacement occured and if very little mixing took place in Egypt, then why do the modern Egyptians differ from the ancients genetically?
Btw you seem very well read on the topic, are you historian or something? Just curious.
I just read a lot about topics that interest me ;)
I would call that an outright replacement. A 90%+ demographic shift would qualify as replacement in my book. What often happens with conquerors, they don't just massacre everybody, because then who would work the fields et cetera? What they typically do is monopolize access to the women. Remember women's fertility is scarce, men's fertility is abundant.
In most conquests like this, you'll find that the Y-DNA haplogroups (male line) and the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups (female line) will diverge around the time of conquest. This is essentially what befell the Britons when Anglo-Saxons took over. The Saxons migrated in warbands, didn't bring many women and so this taking of the native women approach was the way they went to maintain their conquest.
The difference with Egypt is that entire conqueror families, clans and tribes relocated to Egypt. They replaced the Copts in their institutions, i.e. landowners, priest class, merchants guilds et cetera. That sort of deprivation is going to lower the birthrates of the native population. But also there was some taking of the native women too. But that means that the Coptic genetics that were mixed had been essentially washed out and became a drop in the ocean of foreign genetics. For example, you yourself might not have retained a single gene belonging to your 60th great grandfather as each generation your ancestors inherited a 50/50 split of each parent until his contribution to your genome became nil or gone entirely. Much more so likely if your 60th great-grandfather has genes that were divergent from the gene pool his descendants were reproducing in, i.e. a different race or ethnicity.
Oh yeah, that whole replacement in high ranking offices makes alot of sense, I remember reading about Libyan priest and scribes replacing Egyptian ones as far back as 1000BC. Damn, so modern egyptian are genetically different from the ancient. Well atleast there are a few cultural connections. Thanks for the info, fren.
You could spend a lifetime reading about this particular corner anthropology, very interesting stuff. You're quite welcome, fren. It's fun to talk about.
That's just not true, fren. There were migrations in the years following conquest. The ancient and modern populations are genetically distinct from one another. This is true of most of the ancient civilizations we talk about as having paved the way for the modern civilization. They build something nice and alien peoples who didn't or couldn't build something nice just sort of move in one way or another and reduce everything to their level.
Literally posts a picture with a clear as fucking day black sun symbol on it, followed by hundreds of upvotes. Hope it was worth losing any chance of being employed, ever.
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10 WakaTXranger 2019-06-12
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for all of frenworld
2 TheCultureOfCritique 2019-06-12
Don't say that. We frens built the world. Our curse was thinking we could share it with the non-frens.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Execuse me fren, no offense intended, but are the ancient near east civilisations considered frens? I mean: Egyptians, Hittites, Phonecians, Assyrians, Mesoptamians and Persians? Becuase they also built the world.
1 use_shreddit 2019-06-12
They’ve changed fren.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
But maybe they could change again and rebuild themselves, fren! They’re only nonfrens in language and culture but they still have frenly origins!
1 jaubuchon 2019-06-12
Their frenly origins have been diluted and destroyed by constant uh, mixing by non-frens, that's why you don't compromise with the non-frens
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Diluted, sure. Destroyed? not really.
In Egypt for example the population at the time of the nonfren invasion was several times more than the whole population of nonfrens, so it wasnt destroyed, its still buryed deep and kept dormant by nonfren influence, but i think theres hope.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
Modern Egypt is 90+% Arab. These are not the same people as before. Coptic Egpytians are the closest genetic living descendants/kin of the ancient Egpytians and they and their culture are decidedly not in control of that country or it's institutions.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
How come if the native Egyptian population was never displaced like the native american population, sure thing they've mixed but again the native egyptian population is huge in comparison to the arab one, so I dont see where you get the 90+% arab.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
Here's another one. Maybe CNN is more your speed idk
https://www.cnn.com/2017/06/22/health/ancient-egypt-mummy-dna-genome-heritage/index.html
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Yes but both sources say that modern Egyptians share more DNA with sub saharan Africans, but that doesnt mean ancient Egyptians were completely displaced or bred out of existence, right?
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
I didn't say they were exterminated. But Egypt underwent demographic replacement to the extent that the descendants of the ancient inhabitants of Egypt number around 10% or less of the population today. Probably less since the recent attacks on Copts in that country over the last half century or so has sent a lot of them packing to Europe and North America.
If trends hold, in another couple hundred years there might not be any left in Egypt at all.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Well I agree with you on that the copts are the last true remnants of the ancient egyptians, but even then I wouldn't say the rest of native Egyptians got replaced as much as they mixed with invaders, obviously immigrations happened to egypt but even still not on the scale of say, north America and the european colonists.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
Very little mixing actually took place in Egypt. When religious lines overlap with ethnic ones, different populations tend to be isolated form one another genetically. That said, it's not any better if they did mix. They'd be an entirely different people by having mixed like that.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Well then if no outright replacement occured and if very little mixing took place in Egypt, then why do the modern Egyptians differ from the ancients genetically?
Btw you seem very well read on the topic, are you historian or something? Just curious.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
I just read a lot about topics that interest me ;)
I would call that an outright replacement. A 90%+ demographic shift would qualify as replacement in my book. What often happens with conquerors, they don't just massacre everybody, because then who would work the fields et cetera? What they typically do is monopolize access to the women. Remember women's fertility is scarce, men's fertility is abundant.
In most conquests like this, you'll find that the Y-DNA haplogroups (male line) and the mitochondrial DNA haplogroups (female line) will diverge around the time of conquest. This is essentially what befell the Britons when Anglo-Saxons took over. The Saxons migrated in warbands, didn't bring many women and so this taking of the native women approach was the way they went to maintain their conquest.
The difference with Egypt is that entire conqueror families, clans and tribes relocated to Egypt. They replaced the Copts in their institutions, i.e. landowners, priest class, merchants guilds et cetera. That sort of deprivation is going to lower the birthrates of the native population. But also there was some taking of the native women too. But that means that the Coptic genetics that were mixed had been essentially washed out and became a drop in the ocean of foreign genetics. For example, you yourself might not have retained a single gene belonging to your 60th great grandfather as each generation your ancestors inherited a 50/50 split of each parent until his contribution to your genome became nil or gone entirely. Much more so likely if your 60th great-grandfather has genes that were divergent from the gene pool his descendants were reproducing in, i.e. a different race or ethnicity.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Oh yeah, that whole replacement in high ranking offices makes alot of sense, I remember reading about Libyan priest and scribes replacing Egyptian ones as far back as 1000BC. Damn, so modern egyptian are genetically different from the ancient. Well atleast there are a few cultural connections. Thanks for the info, fren.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
You could spend a lifetime reading about this particular corner anthropology, very interesting stuff. You're quite welcome, fren. It's fun to talk about.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
Not the same people living there now as were there before.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
How? There was never a large scale migration or genocide of the native Egyptian population.
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
That's just not true, fren. There were migrations in the years following conquest. The ancient and modern populations are genetically distinct from one another. This is true of most of the ancient civilizations we talk about as having paved the way for the modern civilization. They build something nice and alien peoples who didn't or couldn't build something nice just sort of move in one way or another and reduce everything to their level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_history_of_Egypt
1 DeceptiveFallacy 2019-06-12
Non-frens are not frens. Allies are but allies. Frens are frens.
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
Ok, so these peoples wouldnt be considered frens. Thanks for the info fren
1 DeceptiveFallacy 2019-06-12
If you say so...
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
what do you mean?
1 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
Hittites were our guys. Persians too in more distant sense.
8 DrGu 2019-06-12
Soon fren, soon.
6 BorisHisJohnson 2019-06-12
Wholesome pagan sun worship
2 DancingIsraeli 2019-06-12
There is nothing wrong with the sun. Some people think sun symbols are wrong.
The sun is awesome, it provides warmth, light and it's even a source of clean energy.
Why would somebody be against us liking the sun?
1 RadiantUpstairs 2019-06-12
"ᛋ Sigel semannum symble biþ on hihte,
ðonne hi hine feriaþ ofer fisces beþ,
oþ hi brimhengest bringeþ to lande."
"The sun is ever a joy in the hopes of seafarers
when they journey away over the fishes' bath,
until the courser of the deep bears them to land."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sowil%C5%8D
Sigel! Say it loud and say it proud!
4 Cactuskeeper2000 2019-06-12
For freedom I offer my life.
For homeland I offer my soul.
3 Kim_Honk_Il 2019-06-12
nice hweatfield, fren!
2 ahekxbwiqhxvwqlzoj 2019-06-12
hold up just a minute there buster
2 Furscist 2019-06-12
What a beautiful sunrise :)
2 kidrobot0069 2019-06-12
Black hole sun
1 Iswag_Newton 2019-06-12
Harvesting some fresh memes my fren
1 Puig_Destroyer 2019-06-12
Fine lookin’ huwheat you got there fren!
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1 TheMoistureAddict 2019-06-12
Careful fren
1 adamscus 2019-06-12
Tone it down fren, they are watching
1 ___Kek___ 2019-06-12
Thank you Fren, very cool!
1 pusymaster 2019-06-12
the elongated breathing organ havers are watching fren, be cautious
1 Rob_Farmer 2019-06-12
That's beautiful, fren 💖
1 schemadrome 2019-06-12
Enjoy your marijuana, fren. It will be a phat harvest.
1 spykidsgangshreek 2019-06-12
its almoat harvesting season , my frend
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1 wolfgang202 2019-06-12
Do you have this image minus the pepe, fren?
1 RedRails1917 2019-06-12
y'all ain't even tryin' anymore lol
1 Hungry_Pumpkin_Man 2019-06-12
BOP! SCREEEEEEEEEEEECH NONFREN!
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0 derjungekarl 2019-06-12
Only thing you're gonna bop is your employability, if you ever leave your house with this shit.
1 Hungry_Pumpkin_Man 2019-06-12
True.. that’s why we are secretive
1 killtheupperclass 2019-06-12
they've gone full mask off
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1 CommentBelowIsTyped 2019-06-12
There’s a gross mark in the center of your camera fren, I suggest wiping it off.
1 bluntforcecastration 2019-06-12
mmmmm try again - you need to be more subtle with your cryptofascism, putting the black sun in there is a little on the nose.
1 NightfallSamuel 2019-06-12
"WeR'e ToTaLlY nOt WaCiSt"
"FrEnWuRlD iZ a WhOlEsUm SuB"
Literally posts a picture with a clear as fucking day black sun symbol on it, followed by hundreds of upvotes. Hope it was worth losing any chance of being employed, ever.
1 The_Chad_Ancap 2019-06-12
Dont be mad, be glad
1 EarthIsNotAGlobe 2019-06-12
???????????
1 Lord_nobleses 2019-06-12
But maybe they could change again and rebuild themselves, fren! They’re only nonfrens in language and culture but they still have frenly origins!